Wow

"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch) 09/12/2013 at 12:46 • Filed to: None

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I always though the Defender 90 was a Jeep wrangler sized truck...it is not, its HUGE.

My car (left) is enormous and it looks tiny next to a D90. Considering they are relatively rare (in the US) I just haven't had a chance to come to terms with their scale. Those wagons must be giants.

For reference, here is what my car looks like next to a forester.

EDIT: also, have you priced out a D90 lately? I could get nearly 8 of my cruisers (what I paid) for the price of that D90. Easy choice. 50 grand! for a decent D90, that would built one hellava 80 series cruiser.

liquid_popcorn > HammerheadFistpunch 09/12/2013 at 12:48

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Whoa. That's imposing.

I'll take two.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > HammerheadFistpunch 09/12/2013 at 12:55

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It's very short, though, and there's a lot of visual effect from being so squared-off.. My Series II is the same form factor, if an inch or two less in track width, but due to the aluminum, it only weighs like ~2600lb.

HammerheadFistpunch > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 09/12/2013 at 13:00

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not that short.

161 inches, vs 153 for a 2 door wrangler and 173 for a 4 door.

2 feet shorter than an 80, but only 2 inches narrower.

And 3900 lbs its pretty light (about 1000 lbs lighter than mine) but its not exactly svelt.

MonkeePuzzle > HammerheadFistpunch 09/12/2013 at 13:29

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a D90 was on the truck when my Civic was shipped to me, I wanted it very very badly

Burn The Block > HammerheadFistpunch 09/12/2013 at 13:29

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But they are small?

To me, anyways. I'm used to Scouts and Blazers.

WhereAreMyPants > HammerheadFistpunch 09/12/2013 at 13:48

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It's definitely tall and wide, but that 90" wheelbase keeps it just as useful as a Wrangler off road. I just wish they were more affordable here.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > HammerheadFistpunch 09/12/2013 at 13:48

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Some trivia on LR sizing:

Land-Rovers upsized slightly from the Series I to the Series II, in part due to customer demand. The form factor then stayed the same from 1958-present. The Series I was about the same size as a CJ +5% or so. The primary increase was, as you note, a width increase.

The Series II when stripped down in basic trim was about ~2600-2800lb curb weight. It picked up probably ~200lb in the change to the Series III, then a good bit more in the Defender - partly because of using more metal in the body of a lesser stiffness (no more aircraft "Birmabright"). A full-equip Ninety (at the time, pre-Defender) from the 80s went to about 3500lb, and the modern ones are the 3900 you cite. Part of that comes from little things: steel doors for crash safety, heavier roof framing and support, and a higher level of trim as base.

Where a lot of the effect of small-ness at a distance/bigness close up comes from is roof height. LRs have always been very tall. The point being, if the weight of the vehicle is all down low, why not build a roof as tall as is needed? The Series II was almost 7ft tall with a safari top, and the Defender sits a few inches higher. When that tallness sets off against the short overall length, it looks a lot smaller.